NEW TRAINS! [Archive] - Rail Users Ireland Forum

Derek Wheeler

11-03-2007, 22:17

Mark Gleeson

11-03-2007, 22:23

Come on Derek we can tell everyone of the extra afternoon train to Gorey that you won't find in the timetable, its claim to fame, it doesn't stop in Bray

sean

11-03-2007, 23:33

This poor category has lay vacant too long.

Passengers on this line will be getting new trains after the Sligo line gets them....apparently. But I have a theory. I reckon IE might try and shaft this line, so they can use IC railcars on the WRC and lift the existing 29000s for Dublin commuter runs.

The Rosslare line could be the on going haunt of the MK2. :D (thats the train with slam doors and windows you cant open):D again.

Despite my smilies, would anyone rule it out?

I wouldn't rule it out either. What with the two premier Intercity services, Cork and Belfast, being made a complete shambles by their coach sets, it's only a matter of time before someone with responsibility for either goes fishing for IC railcars to back them up. Rosslare would probably be the (first) loser.

The Mk2d have only a short lifespan left. Back at the end of 2005, some of them like the Sligo bunch, were not life expired contrary to IEs claims, but the rest of them were pretty much finished and a year hanging around Heuston and NI probably hasn't done ours any good either. So they're not going to Rosslare (Rosslare had Mk2ds before but those not scrapped have been in Heuston for much longer and Heuston doesn't exactly have the Midas touch when it comes to Mk2ds).

Rosslare will possibly get stuck with 29ks. If IE needs 29ks for Dublin service, they could very well get them from Longford by replacing those with Mk3 P/Ps

packetswitch

12-03-2007, 00:11

I'm in two minds over whether I'd prefer the old MK2s or not. I mean, if we're not getting our proper Intercity railcars, I'd rather the old ones, as they are relatively comfortable but the politicians and the locals will lobby against them. If we continue with the 29000s, certain people will be contented enough (cause the trains look 'newer') but if we go back to slamdoors, the County Councils will raise blue murder and we'll get our trains! Machiavellian but as Mark said earlier, you have to understand how this country works...

I think the Rosslare line is very neglected in the debate..it always gets towards the bottom of IÉ press releases, everyone assumes that because it's single-track in certain bits, it's beyond salvation and vague promises of 'more trains' will keep the poor Wickla people happy.

Given the level of development in Wicklow and Wexford, a couple of extra stations could certainly be considered, if the relevant councils were to plan ahead.

sean

12-03-2007, 00:49

That wouldn't happen seeing as the Mk3s are going as well and they're in much better shape than the slam-door coaches, most of which are past-it at this point.

IE wants to get rid of all their pull-only trains but if they were going to pawn some off on Rosslare, it would be those that got sent over.

BTW are you a user of the Rosslare line? We need more Southeastern rail user's voices around here.

James Shields

12-03-2007, 09:37

The only locos that can pull the Mk3 push pulls at the moment are the 201s, which weigh something like 120 tons and tear up the track something terrible. There are a number of places they can't go, including Sligo (I don't know about Roslare).

The pull-only version wouldn't be a problem, though.

dowlingm

12-03-2007, 19:09

071s could use the mk3pp in pull only mode, right? Just means running around in Sligo.

Edward Ryan

16-08-2007, 10:39

A poster displaying the new trains saying something about coming to route in Autumn is on display in Gorey station. Making conversation I said to the staff member on duty any date on them entering service. His reply was they are not coming in Autumn and are going to the Westport line instead.. Has anyone on the board more information on this?

Ed

Thomas J Stamp

16-08-2007, 10:50

Yeah, that one is doing the rounds.

Could someone take a photo of that advert.

We, of course, have plenty of captured webpages where IE have implicitly said the Rosslare service goes ahead after Sligo.

Just in case, mind.

Mark Gleeson

16-08-2007, 11:32

There is some truth in it for a number of reasons

1. Most of Rosslare/Gorey services are linked to Dublin suburban services where the new regional/intercity railcars are not suited. So a new timetable is needed to introduce them. Gorey suburban services will remain with commuter railcars. There will be an extra 16:30 Connolly Gorey in the Autumn.

2. The cab window on the new railcars isn't up to the task of catching the old manual ETS staff required by the Rosslare signaling. So we have to wait till the new signaling is commissioned. New signaling also means new timetable

What is likely to happen is this

The current 6:00 Gorey Sligo will depart at 6:10 and run to Maynooth, then all Sligo services will be operated by Intercity Railcars requiring 4 3 car sets weekdays with 6 3 car sets needed on a Friday

Certainly from December 2007 Rosslare could be served, the ETS issue isn't a problem once staff are told only exchange staffs through a open cab door while stopped
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packetswitch

16-08-2007, 18:34

Mark Gleeson

16-08-2007, 18:57

I really hope they don't mess us around - perhaps time to start riling up the public representatives in Wexford and Wicklow?

Mark, if you're going to talk about things like tokens flying through windows you might want to explain that to the non-Rosslare readers whose services stopped doing this (admittedly cute) trick sometime before I was born...
Its only since 2003 has mainline ETS started to be withdrawn, Rosslare is last on the list.

Basically hand out window to catch the wire loop which holds the ETS token, the loop swings back and smashes into the area just behind the window, the 201 class locomotives had to be modified to reduce the damage, problem with the new railcars is there is a fixed window just behind the cab window which won't last long. I discussed this with a driver while in the cab ages ago and got full agreement. It can be solved through procedures

There will be enough intercity railcars in the fleet in December to change the full Rosslare timetable, there are as of today 12 3 car sets here and more coming.

The Westport alternative doesn't stack up anyway the 3 coach set even in 6 car mode is a downgrade compared to the Mk3 set

ThomasJ

16-08-2007, 21:01

Edward Ryan

14-09-2007, 17:07

Latest rumour now is the 0600 Gorey to Sligo train is getting one of the new trains soon . Late October was said.

Mark Gleeson

14-09-2007, 17:14

Latest rumour now is the 0600 Gorey to Sligo train is getting one of the new trains soon . Late October was said.

That would fit, but unlikely that the 06:00 Gorey Sligo will continue to operate in the new timetable, probably become 6:10 Gorey Maynooth

First set as yet to enter service and it won't be next Monday as we thought

Sean Daly

16-09-2007, 13:13

One flew past me as i was walking up by the twelveth lock in castleknock around half eight this evening heading in the sligo direction first time i saw her running on her own will be looking forward to using them

A set has been parked in longford since someday last week, moving from one siding to another every couple of days. Last night there were 2 29000's and the new intercity railcar in the sidings, making longford statioin look very important with all that hardware parked up!!!!

I take it the new service will be 2 intercity railcars in tandom i.e. 6 cars, if they only have 1 set irs going to tight!!!!

Why weren't they all ordered as 6 car sets?

Mark Gleeson

16-09-2007, 13:26

3 car set has more seats than the current 4 car railcar also has proper luggage storage and even full size tables

Sligo is getting a at least 1 full six car set, Rosslare gets a mix and match of either single or pairs of 3 car sets

ThomasJ

16-09-2007, 22:58

1. Most of Rosslare/Gorey services are linked to Dublin suburban services where the new regional/intercity railcars are not suited. So a new timetable is needed to introduce them. Gorey suburban services will remain with commuter railcars. There will be an extra 16:30 Connolly Gorey in the Autumn.

sorry to drag the commuter aspect in but I was talking to an IE employee recently and he wasn't sure that the maynooth/drogheda aspect of the rosslare services needed to be removed.

a few things about this possability:

The 18.30ish ex connolly is one of the busiest services on the rosslare line and quite often when is a 4-car 29000 service packed to the rafters. Therefore this should be a 2*3car 22000 set surely? if so as it kind of mtaches the seating capacity of a 8-car 29000 if not greater surely it could work with the 16.40 connolly-maynooth?

If the railcars continue to maynooth then it would free up the 2800s for extra services and not just for creating a new maynooth service as a result of the afternoon rosslare europort-maynooth service being dropped?

if the maynooth side of the journey is dropped where do they get the path for a new service? surely there is no space for a new service?

it doesn't need to hang around connolly taking up space

surely these railcars will still end up heading to the railcar depot in drogheda with the sligo railcars. if so would the evening rosslare-drogheda service continue?

what do you think?

James Shields

17-09-2007, 00:53

Hmmm, the 8:25 Pearse-Drogheda (ex Roslare) could suddenly become a lot more attractive.

I think most of the servicing will be done in Port Laoise. I'm not sure if Drogheda is equipped to handle them, though it was where the first set were sent when they arrived.

paddyb180285

17-09-2007, 17:09

I think this site mentioned at one stage that by the end of Transport 21 Gorey will be serviced by trains, 2 times an hour on Peak and hourly off peak.How is this possible when the line is single track from Bray southwards?I know there are passing loops along this stretch.However,this won't be enough for the proposed frequencies despite better signalling.I think doubling this track should be the next entry in IE's investment plans.For the new trains its a case of "all of that horse power and no room to gallop".Also,"2 trains an hour on peak and hourly off peak" till what time?The current 6:30 PM?Another thread in this forum mentioned that trains south of pearse are running at capacity.Surely some Bray/Greystones bound DARTs will have to be sacrificed in order to free up slots to acheive the proposed frequencies.For instance,don't do a 15:58 Connolly-Bray (ex Longford) on it and have it tightly squeezed between two DART services.Otherwise,they would end up going so slow.On that note,if it is going to be slow then it isn't in a mad rush.Therefore,it can aford to serve a few more stations instead of very slowy passing those stations.

craigybagel

17-09-2007, 22:52

Spoke to the guard coming up from Wicklow during the week he said latest IE plan is that rosslare will be LAST to get the 22s, and that Limerick was now first in line to get them?

Incidentally as far as i can tell the platforms on the line cant take 2x22k yet. Certainly Wicklow cant....

Mark Gleeson

17-09-2007, 22:55

That mostly rubbish

The Rosslare hold up is due to the re-signaling, the new station in Rosslare and platform extensions as part of the signaling project, that should all be sorted by Easter

Sligo is first, date place and time

Staff at most have 2 week notice of any operational change

Edward Ryan

17-09-2007, 23:26

I think Craigy has a point there. I know the new platforms here at Gorey can take 6 carrages of the current trains but aint the new carrages longer? That would make 6 of the new carrages longer than the new platforms.

I know Wicklow Enniscorthy Gorey and one platform at Rathdrum have being renewed but only accomadate the current 6 carrage trains. I honestly can not see IE rebuilding these platforms again so 3 new carrages look like the only option.

Ed

James Shields

18-09-2007, 06:30

KSW

18-09-2007, 07:18

I heard the Rosslare line will be getting these new 22000 InterCity in April of 2008 or even December'08.Does anyone else feel that the Rosslare services should be terminated at Connolly Station,Only Gorey services should go behond Connolly. I have to say the new Railcars look very impressive and 23m long. I've seen the inside of the 22000 very bright i have to say.If anybody wants to look at the new trains the website address is www.irishtrainphotos.fotopic.net The seats look comforable and clean. Can i ask what will the catering facilites onboard be like because if there is going to be 3 cars X2 will there be 2 catering facilites for each set. Yes or No. I hope the 06:00 Gorey Sligo service gets one as it deserves at least this. The timetable from Gorey to Dublin needs some serious help. If i miss the 08.50 the next train is 14.10 and 14.50 then 18.50 this is to much a gap. What about a 11am and a 13.10 lunchtime and a 17.10 late afternoon service. What is your view on this..

ACustomer

18-09-2007, 08:23

With reference to message no 20 above, where did you get the idea that T21 envisaged hourly off-peak and twoce-hourly at peak? As you say this is simply way beyond the capacity of the line. To the best of my knowledge there was never such a plan (with good reason).

As fer as I can recall the plan is to have 5 trains eventually to Rosslare, plus 2 or 3 as far as Gorey.

Mark Gleeson

18-09-2007, 09:59

The timetable as we understand it is that there will be an hourly service at peak and then a train every 2 hours as far as Gorey with a possibilty of 5 trains operating south of Gorey to either Wexford or Rosslare. At the moment out of Dublin if it wasn't for the shortage of railcars there would be 16:40, 17:30 and 18:35 departures today

Sligo line manages fine with a single track with a lot more trains

All services starting or terminating in Gorey will be operated by suburban railcars, services operating further will be Intercity railcars

The bulk of the problems with the Rosslare line are physical due to the hills and curves which are mostly north of Gorey. Cost to fix is in the hundreds of millions

Given a new station is being built in Rosslare at the moment the future of the line is quite secure

The hold is on the resignalling which is generally tied in with platform extensions will be Easter next year at the latest.

Edward Ryan

18-09-2007, 10:47

Is there any extra services planned in the December timetable?
The current timetable as far too many gaps in it. Miss the 0850 Gorey Dublin and your next service is not till 1410 then 1450 followed by another large gap till 1850.

paddyb180285

18-09-2007, 16:28

ACustomer,

here is were I got the idea:

http://www.platform11.org/campaigns/extendthedart/interconnector_commuters.php#greystones

Do you mean 2 or 3 as far as Gorey on top of the five envisaged for Rosslare?
If so,is that each way?

If that is the case you are talking about five trains each way to Rosslare and 7 or 8 trains each way to Gorey.

Mark Gleeson

18-09-2007, 18:33

The train every two hours is the 2008/9 situation whatever happens after that is a bit of dream

KSW

19-09-2007, 07:46

Why cant Iarnrod Eireann operate the 5 trains each way to Rosslare/Wexford in the December coming.. The new signalling on the line is that what is holding everything up?.. I got on the 13:35 Dublin Rosslare on Saturday and the driver was really pushing it I mean this guy was going the trains max speed.. Arklow Gorey 9minutes NO LIE. But the PA was not on which was a shame. Why cant IE tell all its staff if the train has onboard information then for the love of god use it.

Edward Ryan

19-09-2007, 10:31

9 min From Arklow to Gorey is about average. The amount of time allowed between stations is in my opinion is excessive. A recent trip on the 0600 Gorey to Sligo train saw us sitting in most stations 3 to 4 min waiting time.
6 min sitting in Blackrock as the train is allowed 9 min to complete the journey from Dunlaoghaire to Blackrock. Even a stopping DART doesnt take that long.

The 0600 train could depart Gorey at 0615 and still easily arrive into Dublin Connolly before 0800. Its no wonder that as the poster says "97% of commuter trains arrive on time". I mean with timetables like this how could they not arrive on time?.

Ed

PaulM

19-09-2007, 12:23

The 0600 train could depart Gorey at 0615 and still easily arrive into Dublin Connolly before 0800. Its no wonder that as the poster says "97% of commuter trains arrive on time". I mean with timetables like this how could they not arrive on time?.

That is exactly why they are on time. Someone can correct but I think if it is within 10 / 15 minutes it is considered on time. Most countries say 5.

In Sweden the trains arrive exactly when scheduled. This frightened me as I honestly didn't know if I was on the right train. I'm not used to such punctuality, you would have trains every 5 minutes going to different places and the only way you know which train to get was the time it arrived. If IE did that here there would be mass confusion (unless they became a decent operator).

ThomasJ

19-09-2007, 13:35

Sligo line manages fine with a single track with a lot more trains

But Mark, the sligo line doesn't have DART's running off a single track surely this will effect the operation of the Rosslare/Gorey line in future.

Edward Ryan

27-09-2007, 20:49

The new trains went down to Rosslare today on a test run.

Thomas Ralph

28-09-2007, 21:27

I saw a 22000 three-car set going northbound at Pearse yesterday evening marked out of service.

I don't think there's anything stopping IÉ running six-car 22000 sets down to Rosslare. If the platforms are too short, they'll just do the "please move forward to arrive safely on the platform" trick.

Mark Gleeson

28-09-2007, 21:38

I don't think there's anything stopping IÉ running six-car 22000 sets down to Rosslare. If the platforms are too short, they'll just do the "please move forward to arrive safely on the platform" trick.

Thats not allowed for any new train entering service as of this year, older trains are exempt

The new trains may however have selective door opening we don't know

KSW

30-09-2007, 22:03

They look nice, espically when your standing across at Tesco(Gorey) and there's a 3car train across the way. I should have drove to the station and stopped the train just to take a picture (ha ha) Oh and ask him can i see inside for myself

Pierce

01-10-2007, 09:18

Hi
It is true that there will be a 16:00 Dublin-Gorey and returns from Gorey-Dublin at 18:00 can anybody confirm this.

Mark Gleeson

01-10-2007, 09:22

Its 16:40 Connolly Gorey does not stop Bray then all stations to Gorey

That is in the timetable but not yet running as there are no trains to run it

No return service

KSW

01-10-2007, 13:53

Do the New InterCitys have electronic route maps and have tilting for such a long carriage?

janda

01-10-2007, 14:51

As an aside, didn't an Irish Rail official tell Wexford Co Co there would be an early service from Wexford Town, replacing the early bird Gorey?

I'm trying to find link to Wexford people article-here is extract
Vastly improved rail service for Wexford

Irish Rail chiefs have given a commitment to vastly improve Wexford's train service with brand new rolling stock, and five daily return journeys to Dublin by the end of 2008.
Michael Power, the service planning manager for Irish Rail, outlined the plans for the Wexford-Dublin line at a meeting of Wexford Borough Council on Monday.
An early bird' train, which could hook up with the existing 6 a.m. commuter train from Gorey was also touted as a possibility by the Iarnrod Eireann executive - but, would only be at the expense of the existing 8 a.m. service.
The company are also looking to have a day return connection between Wexford and Waterford in operation by May of next year.

KSW

01-10-2007, 17:07

R.E Janda,
Yes i read that info from the last I.E webcam which i cannot find the address for. It would be brillant if Iarnrod Eireann introduced a 06:00 Rosslare-Dublin and the journey would take 2hr30min Even a 05:30 to Dublin if the other routes of Ireland can have a service in the early hours(05:30) then why not Wexford. Would you agree if I.E had all of its services Wexford instead of Gorey the line would improve with more passengers. Waterford-Wexford would be fanastic.
Saying this i dont think the services are going to improve until 2008. Did you get a chance to see the new intercity 22000 train on Thrusday. Its looks really nice.

James Shields

03-10-2007, 17:30

Do the New InterCitys have electronic route maps and have tilting for such a long carriage?

Electric route maps: I believe so.

Tilting: No chance! (At least not intentional tilting into corners. Hopefully they won't have "swaying" like the 29Ks either.)

KSW

03-10-2007, 19:33

Thanks James. I hope so to....:cool:

Mark Gleeson

03-10-2007, 21:58

No electronic maps, they don't work on the Cork train so its not much of a loss

Thomas Ralph

04-10-2007, 21:27

They work on a minority of Cork trains. I don't know whether they use wheel-counters, GPS, or some other technology.

Mark Gleeson

04-10-2007, 23:47

Well it uses GPS, we have a screen shot with the GPS data on screen pumped it into google maps and yes the train thought it was where it was, problem is the display said the train was in Kildare when in fact the GPS had it in Portlaoise

Edward Ryan

07-11-2007, 18:02

One of the new 22 class trains passed Gorey this evening heading in the Dublin direction.

KSW

08-11-2007, 11:21

Maybe they are testing the train again for the max speed on some parts of the line. The other day I was travelling on the new N11 road and there is parts of the railway line that you can see from the road, I noticed how the track had some amount of curves they are very sharp....

KSW

08-11-2007, 13:24

New railcars in Wexford today passing through the quays at 12.50 there was a korean person inside the train beside a white machine writing down every detail from what I could seen. Who knows we might get the railcars sooner than we think

essoII

08-11-2007, 19:38

there was a korean person inside the train beside a white machine writing down every detail from what I could seen. yeah, saw the same train idling in greystones this afternoon, very nice looking piece of machinery i have to say. It's way taller than any other train i've seen on the network, well at least in comparison to commuters and the old intercity trains. Was at least a good foot and a half taller than the dart sitting next to it.

KSW

08-11-2007, 22:44

The inside is really nice from what I seen. Mark and Derek that 16:40 Connolly-Gorey service which doesnt stop in Bray that service takes almost 2hours so therefore I'm guessing that the services on this route will be the same amount of time as now, Or is it this service(haha)

Thomas Ralph

09-11-2007, 19:05

The commuter railcars are all 20m per coach, so a 6-car set will be 180m.

The Intercity railcars are 23m, so six of them become 198m, almost as long as a 7-car commuter train, if such a thing existed. I don't know if that's enough to push them over the current platform lengths.

Well, I got a train from Enniscorthy to Bray last weekend. The far side platform (they aren't numbered) in Enniscorthy was only just long enough to take the six 2800s, so the last carriage of a 22000 wouldn't land on the platform. There's extra length on the main platform so it's not a problem on that side.

Rushed2nowhere

10-11-2007, 00:35

Will the commuter railcars opperating on the Limerick Ballybrophy and Limerick Waterford/Rosslare be eventually replaced by three car 22000 sets?

Also, IE have issued a tender for 250 DART carriages and 150 commuter railcars.Where will IE use their 330 commuter railcars as the lines as far as Maynooth,Balbriggan and Hazlehatch will be electrified.

Are Limerick and Galway going to get Commuter services?

How many commuter railcars will Cork need once the line to Middleton and the new stations are opened?

KSW

10-11-2007, 13:21

I reckon from all my reading that the Routes mentioned will still have the Commuter railcars because the first and last trains are the busiest but saying this we all deserve a decent rail carriage.

Rushed2nowhere

11-11-2007, 22:49

I saw 4, 3 car 22000 at Limerick junction today.I think that there was a fifth set.

KSW

12-11-2007, 18:17

I think there just teasing you. Is there really a techinal problem with these new trains they appear to be in good working condition but thats not including the techinal side of it.

Colm Moore

14-11-2007, 22:27

Suggestion is now 'late 2007' for Sligo and 2008 for everything else.

KSW

14-11-2007, 23:05

Lucky Sligo. Question - will the new 22k trains have the same annoucements as like the Cork InterCity with "ladies and Gentlemen Iarnrod Eireann welcomes you onboard, This is the xx:xx to xxxxxxx. No thread has covered this area.

Dublin/Rosslare

15-11-2007, 20:31

Hi Everyone,
The new 22000 trains I'm guessing will have different onboard announcements because after all there is a different onboard announcement for the Enterprise,Dart,Commuter and the Cork Intercity so the 22000 trains just also might have different annoucements towards the others.

KSW

26-11-2007, 13:10

Can I ask, When the new 22000 class trains do arrive on Rosslare in Arpil can we see improvements not just in times but will the line from Gorey be different than the ones now... I mean 08:50 and the next train is 14:10 will this long time gap be gone and replaced with descent hours. The morning trains are fine but I would like a late morning service at around 11:00 to Dublin. Replace the 2pm trains to 13:30 and 16:00. Then the 18:50 to 18:30 and the last to 20:00. This way there is not much of a time gap.

Thomas J Stamp

26-11-2007, 15:02

Can I ask when the new 22000 class trains do arrive on Rosslare in Arpil

Well................. erm........... ;)

Mark Gleeson

26-11-2007, 15:09

Rosslare will get 5 trains a day each way thats it plus the connections over to Waterford and northwards. Gorey gets its extra evening train and with a bit of luck the late evening train

For the worst performing line in the country to have the same service level as was offered to Waterford, Sligo and Galway not so long ago its a massive step forward

Yes journey times will come down but most of the time to be saved is south of Arklow, new signalling will cut a few minutes as well

MOH

27-11-2007, 17:23

Heh. Just came across this on the ASAI website, in relation to a complaint about online booking in January:

"They [IE] said that this is a service that Irish Rail are eager to offer to all customers as soon as possible and the new trains which will operate on the Dublin/Sligo line from early 2007 will allow the introduction of an online booking facility for that line."

Actually, hang on, that's not funny :mad:

KSW

13-12-2007, 00:18

Anyone know when the new 22000 trains can be expected to be seen on Rosslare? Mark G have you heard anything regards this. I heard it will be December '08 plse dont say this is true..:o :o

Mark Gleeson

13-12-2007, 10:10

It will be Dec 08 before all Rosslare services are 22k operated since it requires a timetable change but the lunchtime service to Rosslare and return should switch a lot sooner

Signaling upgrade is last two weeks of April

dowlingm

14-12-2007, 17:54

Mark G - what stock is likely to be scrapped in 2008? (let's hope they haven't booked dates or anything given how slow the 22k rollout has been going)

sean

14-12-2007, 20:35

My guess is the Mk2Ds would be the first to go, followed at some point by the Mk3s, though I hope some Mk3s are kept for specials, emergency cover and whatnot.

KSW

14-12-2007, 23:09

Bring on the new timetable & trains, I'm sick of the current trains

sean

15-12-2007, 01:39

Given the ****e that's on your line I'm not surprised.

KSW

15-12-2007, 10:35

Just curious but when was the last time the Rosslare line had an Intercity train. That accident with the train uncoupling outside Wexford that must be back in 2004/05. The Sligo line had those commuter trains for 2years or under I'm not sure and they had enough of these commuter railcars. Another full year for the Rosslare line to get the new 22k trains next Christmas, Come on !!!

Edward Ryan

15-12-2007, 22:14

sean

15-12-2007, 23:16

I would like to comment on the Rosslare lines current train the 28 class.

While they may not be Intercity they are the best trains to work the line for years. The old intercity was old and clapped out the heating never worked the toilets were no better I for one was glad to see the back of them.

As for the commuter train that split in two outside Enniscorthy these were the 27 class and were totally unable for the Rosslare line.

The 28 may be no BMW but they are warm the toilets seem to work and the seats are comfortable. We could have worse!

Most of the journeys that I made where things went wrong were of those awful 29 class trains. Heating on these trains is a rare event. The toilets are always out of order.They rock shake and shudder along the tracks. The 22 trains will certainly be welcomed with open arms whenever they do arrive on the line. In the mean time the ol faithfull 28 will keep us moving.

Ed

I hear ya' bro. My thoughts exactly. On one occasion I had to use the Longford Commuter service (which is something I normally avoid) and it was a 2800 train. They were as noisy as the 29ks, but the suspension was a hell of a lot smoother, and the interconnecting gangways would have been helpful had I needed to search the entire train for a seat as well, but the one thing that struck me the most was how smooth they ran.

A quick look at the cars undersides shows some very old school spring type suspension, that might have a lot to do with it.

It's the 29ks that get my blood boiling. :mad:

KSW

15-12-2007, 23:57

Now see there you go you guys like the 28's and I cannot stand the 28's. The 29's for me anyday. The interior against the 28's much better. I know that accident was a 27 heap of scrap but I seen a train on monday like those, The seats were of 4sets face to face all along both sides of the train. Yes, I welcome the 22000 trains when they eventually do come on stream. I will try them out the next time I go to Maynooth sometime in January, Cant wait:) :D :) ...

sean

16-12-2007, 00:35

It's not that I like the 2800s, I just think they're the best of a bad lot with some decent engineering.

KSW

16-12-2007, 01:20

The're okay I'II be honest, I just perfer the 29000 sets.

KSW

16-12-2007, 10:37

KSW

16-12-2007, 12:27

Hope You all these :cool: !!

sean

16-12-2007, 13:47

Nice. I got the whole show in Sligo several months ago, and posted the results here.

http://www.railusers.ie/forum/showpost.php?p=23334&postcount=23

In case anyone missed it, posts 23 and 24.

KSW

16-12-2007, 18:46

Nice. I got the whole show in Sligo several months ago, and posted the results here.

Lucky, What are the seats like did you seat in them. By any chance was the PA Onboard announcements working. We'll see soon enough

Pierce

17-12-2007, 00:44

Given the ****e that's on your line I'm not surprised.

I know right

Pierce

17-12-2007, 00:58

This poor category has lay vacant too long.

Passengers on this line will be getting new trains after the Sligo line gets them....apparently.

Before I go, I knew Irish Rail would'nt keep their word. After the Sligo line ya right

KSW

17-12-2007, 13:56

I knew Irish Rail would'nt keep their word.
When it comes to the Rosslare line NO. Why I just cannnot see why they should connect the line with Fishguard via London and other destinations, Calling the line Europort. Then when your on the new 22k train boarding at Connolly, You hear "Good Afternoon, Welcome onboard Iarnrod Eireann - Euroroute 13:05 serving Bray, Greystones, Wicklow, Rathdrum, Arklow, Gorey, Enniscorthy, Wexford, Rosslare Strand & Rosslare Europort connecting with Stena Line to fishguard, Please use baggage spaces provided. Have a pleasant and comforable journey" Would'nt this be more InterCity type standard..........?