Strike Oct 23

[Mark Gleeson]

http://www.irishrail.ie/news/threatenedindustrialaction

6am-9am only.

No train will move before 9am and there will be significant disruption due trains being in the wrong place. E.g we do not expect any DART services from Howth or Malahide to operate before 9:30




If you hold a taxsaver monthly/annual and the strike goes ahead

https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/TAXOCT

[Jamie2k9]

http://www.irishrail.ie/news/threatenedindustrialaction

Threatened industrial action - 23rd October & 6th November

09 October 2015

Details of threatened industrial action by drivers, affecting rail services on mornings of Friday 23rd October and Friday 6th November.

Update: 14:00hrs, Thursday 22nd October

Iarnród Éireann advises customers that it has received notice by trade unions representing train drivers of industrial action which means rail services will be disrupted on the mornings of:

Friday 23rd October
Friday 6th November
All rail services - DART, Commuter and Intercity - will be affected.

This page will be updated with the latest information for customers, and we apologise to customers for the inconvenience caused to planning of travel arrangements by this action.

Talks are taking place at the Workplace Relations Commission in an effort to avert this threatened action.

Disruption Friday 23rd October

Disruption is currently expected as follows - this website will be updated with any changes:

Services which are scheduled to depart before 06:00hrs will operate as normal and stop at scheduled intermediate stations as planned with some exclusions including: 05:45hrs Sligo Connolly, 05:30 Galway Heuston and 05:20 Westport Heuston

No DART or Commuter services will operate prior to 10.00hrs. A limited service may operate from 10.00hrs with some disruption possible up to 12.00hrs.

Intercity services cannot be guaranteed prior to 14.00hrs. There may be a limited service between 09.00hrs and 14.00hrs.
Rail tickets will not be valid on services of other public transport providers.

Refund Arrangements

Online customers who are booked to travel during the hours of disruption on Friday 23rd October can use their tickets on any of the following services and no surcharge will apply:

Thursday 22nd October at any time
Friday 23rd October, at a later time
Saturday 24th October, at any time
OR they may submit their ticket and receive a full refund. On receipt of the ticket the refund will be processed and their card credited within 7-10 days.

Customers who purchase their tickets at the station who were impacted by the industrial action should collect a refund form at the station or download a refund form and apply to Customer Care, Iarnród Éireann, Connolly Station, Dublin 1.

Taxsaver Customers can apply for a refund if their travel plans were impacted by the Industrial Action. We would advise customers impacted on the 23rd October to apply from Tuesday 27th October onwards, through this Taxsaver form.

Iarnród Éireann apologises for any inconvenience caused. Full service information will be updated as it becomes available.

So how are unions legally avoiding running the longer distance Intercity services, IE should force them to operate all services before 06.00 and I would have drivers sit on the line for 3 hours happily.

[Thomas J Stamp]

well, it seems they are operating all services which start before 6am, which i found very odd to start with.

I am not 100% familiar with the ins and outs of this (although from what i have heard i think the unions have a very good point against the management), and as a passenger organisation officially we are not concerned with them, as our focus is on those affected by this.

this action tomorrow in my opinion is a bit sly, it is designed to annoy and inconvenience the most vulnerable passengers in the morning rush hour in order to get them to agitate to the government in an election period to lean in behind the scenes on the management. At the same time a 3 hour stoppage mustn't have as much of an economic effect on their members as a full day or several days.

The poor sod in newbridge depending on the train though loses a days leave or a days pay in lieu.

[Jamie2k9]

http://www.irishrail.ie/news/threatenedindustrialaction
Threatened industrial action - 23rd October & 6th November

09 October 2015

Details of threatened industrial action by drivers, affecting rail services on mornings of Friday 23rd October and Friday 6th November.

Update: 16:30hrs, Thursday 22nd October

Iarnród Éireann advises customers that it has received notice by trade unions representing train drivers of industrial action which means rail services will be disrupted on the mornings of:

Friday 23rd October
Friday 6th November
All rail services - DART, Commuter and Intercity - will be affected.

This page will be updated with the latest information for customers, and we apologise to customers for the inconvenience caused to planning of travel arrangements by this action.

Talks are taking place at the Workplace Relations Commission in an effort to avert this threatened action.

Disruption Friday 23rd October

Disruption is currently expected as follows - this website will be updated with any changes:

The following services prior to 06:00hrs are expected to operate:

05:40 Dundalk Pearse will operate to Connolly only
05:27 Connolly Maynooth will operate
05:40 Longford Pearse will operate to Connolly only
06:50 Belfast Connolly will operate
08:00 Belfast Connolly will operate
05:45 Sligo Connolly will operate
05:35 Rosslare Dundalk will operate
05:55 Gorey Connolly will operate
05:40 Portlaoise Heuston will operate
05:50 Cork Heuston will operate
05:30 Cork Cobh will operate
05:45 Cork Midleton will operate
05:55 Tralee Mallow will operate
05:30 Limerick Heuston will operate
05:55 Limerick Galway will operate
05:30 Galway Heuston will operate
05:20 Athlone Heuston will operate
05:20 Westport Heuston will operate to Athlone only

No DART services will operate between 06:00hrs and 09:00hrs

DART services will resume with the following services:

09:40 Bray Malahide
10:00 Greystones Howth
09:45 Howth Bray
10:30 Malahide Greystones

Commuter services will resume with the following services:

09:35 Drogheda Pearse
11:00 Dundalk Pearse
09:10 Maynooth Pearse
09:22 Connolly Maynooth
09:10 Portlaoise Heuston
09:20 Heuston Pearse
09:00 Cork Cobh
09:30 Cobh Cork
09:15 Cork Midleton
09:45 Midleton Cork


Intercity Services will resume at 09:00hrs with the exception of the following services whuch will not operate:

10:35 Belfast Connolly
09:05 Tralee Mallow
10:05 Ballybrophy Limerick
09:47 Limerick Junction Waterford
10:15 Heuston Waterford

Please note these arrangements may be subject to change at short notice. There mayalso be altered capacity on certain services

Rail tickets will not be valid on services of other public transport providers.

Refund Arrangements

Online customers who are booked to travel during the hours of disruption on Friday 23rd October can use their tickets on any of the following services and no surcharge will apply:

Thursday 22nd October at any time
Friday 23rd October, at a later time
Saturday 24th October, at any time
OR they may submit their ticket and receive a full refund. On receipt of the ticket the refund will be processed and their card credited within 7-10 days.

Customers who purchase their tickets at the station who were impacted by the industrial action should collect a refund form at the station or download a refund form and apply to Customer Care, Iarnród Éireann, Connolly Station, Dublin 1.

Taxsaver Customers can apply for a refund if their travel plans were impacted by the Industrial Action. We would advise customers impacted on the 23rd October to apply from Tuesday 27th October onwards, through this Taxsaver form.

Iarnród Éireann apologises for any inconvenience caused. Full service information will be updated as it becomes available.

[James Howard]

From my reading, there are only a few early morning services operating. None of the Galway, Westport or Sligo early morning services are operating.

It is a bit sly to stop for three hours as it will basically make a mess of the day and I presume a lot the intercity drivers will still end up doing a full day getting trains back in position. Somebody will have to drive the 7-car set from Sligo up to Dublin and then either operate another train back or go home as a passenger either or which will make it so that he'll get paid for most of the day.

If the nub of the issue is to do with driver-only trains, I would tend to agree with the drivers and this case the drivers' interests are actually aligned with those of passengers. The lack of staff on Intercity trains is not right and from a passenger perspective, it can sometimes feel quite threatening on later services.

The idea of the driver having to get out of a train to get a wheelchair passenger off at a remote rural station is quite simply ridiculous. It is dangerous from the perspective of the driver's personal safety but also it is a bit alarming that a train with several hundred passengers could be just left abandoned at somewhere like Enfield or Edgeworthstown if the driver was assaulted while assisting a wheelchair passenger.

[Jamie2k9]

well, it seems they are operating all services which start before 6am, which i found very odd to start with.

I am not 100% familiar with the ins and outs of this (although from what i have heard i think the unions have a very good point against the management), and as a passenger organisation officially we are not concerned with them, as our focus is on those affected by this.

this action tomorrow in my opinion is a bit sly, it is designed to annoy and inconvenience the most vulnerable passengers in the morning rush hour in order to get them to agitate to the government in an election period to lean in behind the scenes on the management. At the same time a 3 hour stoppage mustn't have as much of an economic effect on their members as a full day or several days.

The poor sod in newbridge depending on the train though loses a days leave or a days pay in lieu.

Well Well Well who suddenly forced the 05.20 (Westport), 05.30 (Galway and 05.45 (Sligo) services to be included, did Irish Rail actually grow a back bone and threaten action if they did not operate. I will assume the 05.20 terminating at Athlone is for operational reasons, I hope nothing else.

They have to operate them or re issue notice of strike action starting from 05.00. I believe in theory unions could stop all services which depart before 06.00 once the time passes but not before. Neither them nor passengers would benefit from that.

I will agree but there is some points they have but a lot of rubbish such as a 7.9% pay rise.

[James Shields]

So in theory, all the Drogheda passengers could cram into the 8:20 Enterprise... that would be interesting to watch!

James

[Thomas J Stamp]

reports abounded this am of knock on effects on bus services in the city, many left at stops as full busses went past. I assume that BAC doesnt have the ability to put extra buses on for several reasons.

[Thomas J Stamp]

I will agree but there is some points they have but a lot of rubbish such as a 7.9% pay rise.

one thing i heard during the week is that the staff implemented efficiency changes in return for a promise that there would be a pay rise down the road and that pay rise never happened, in effect there is a backdated claim.

now the management want to link the payment of that or part of that already owing payrise to further increased efficiency. that's acting the maggot in my opinion.

[berneyarms]

reports abounded this am of knock on effects on bus services in the city, many left at stops as full busses went past. I assume that BAC doesnt have the ability to put extra buses on for several reasons.

There was a bad accident on the North Quays that closed the North Quays east of Capel Street bridge - this caused mayhem with traffic there and within the entire city centre on all routes and left buses completely out of sync.

Westmoreland Street looked like a bus depot this morning with nothing moving.

Dublin Bus have their entire fleet (excluding maintenance) out on the road every morning so, yes, you're right, there is no ability to put extra buses on.

[berneyarms]

one thing i heard during the week is that the staff implemented efficiency changes in return for a promise that there would be a pay rise down the road and that pay rise never happened, in effect there is a backdated claim.

now the management want to link the payment of that or part of that already owing payrise to further increased efficiency. that's acting the maggot in my opinion.

Presumably it boils down to circumstances changing and an inability to pay, due to the ongoing losses.

[Jamie2k9]

one thing i heard during the week is that the staff implemented efficiency changes in return for a promise that there would be a pay rise down the road and that pay rise never happened, in effect there is a backdated claim.

now the management want to link the payment of that or part of that already owing payrise to further increased efficiency. that's acting the maggot in my opinion.

Indeed but expect a condition was providing financial position allows for this. It was the type of agreement which should never of been allowed to happen in the first place.

IE better ensure that all money lost today is taken out of the agreement.

At the rate they are going one drivers pay will soon be the equivalent of hiring two new drivers. :rolleyes: