Fares to fall next week due to lack of LEAP?

[jacko]

In its fares determination for Irish Rail published last October the NTA stated

where the Leap card is not available in this area by the 1st August 2014 and the Authority hasn’t approved of a new implementation date, then specific fares in the Cork Cobh Midleton area will revert to their previous rates.

So all Irish Rail had to do was to install a validator(s) in Cobh Rushbrooke, Carrigaloe, Fota, Glounthaune, Little Island, Midleton and Carrigtwohill.

10 months to install some validators and they havent !

Question - will the fares come back to 2013 levels next Friday?

and if not, how can we as cobh/midleton commuters ensure that nta stick by its decision

[Mark Gleeson]

Good point, I fear however that a deal has been cut.

Will let you know, either way

[markpb]

The text of the dare determination gives them an easy out, all the NTA has to do is agree a new implementation date.

[Mark Gleeson]

True but that would require a formal notification of the new date...

[jacko]

Am I right in saying that without NTA written agreement Irish Rail is legally obliged to charge the old fare eg: €7.70 Cork/Cobh return rather than €8.50?

How will TVM's be readied in time for Friday morning?

[Mark Gleeson]

Contractually that would be the case.

We are still awaiting a response from the NTA.

[Jamie2k9]

Wouldn't worry about fares for Friday, its nearly guaranteed they will sign off and give them linger. Always have always will!

Why are IE dragging out rolling Leap in Cork, is it their financials or the potential loss of revenue, correct me if I am wrong but doesn't the Cork commuter make good money.

[Mark Gleeson]

There are claims of procurement issues. Irish Rail's ticketing equipment framework expired last year so a new one had to be tendered.

The reality is there is no agreement in place today so the fare should fall

[Mark Gleeson]

NTA granted an exception and has set Sept 11th as a hard date, no further slippage

[bg07]

NTA granted an exception and has set Sept 11th as a hard date, no further slippage

Do they have any of the necessary infrastructure (barrier and/or poles) installed at any of the stations other than at Kent & Mallow?

[jacko]

Do they have any of the necessary infrastructure (barrier and/or poles) installed at any of the stations other than at Kent & Mallow?

No

TVM's were installed last year at all stations on Cobh lines - would have made sense to do validators at same time

[Mark Gleeson]

Yes it would, but no funding was available at that time to install LEAP equipment

[bg07]

NTA granted an exception and has set Sept 11th as a hard date, no further slippage

At the glacial speed that leap roll out has happened to date there is no way they will achieve that date. They have to install new ticket barriers/validators, upgrade the ticketing system software, upgrade the tvm's hardware and software to take smart cards and test all the components of the system. With all the protracted procuring procedures thrown in the mix as well it will be the end of the year at best I think.

[comcor]

There is now a shop in Cobh that is operating as a Leap Card agent.

That could be taken as a good sign, until you discover that they've also added an agent in Dunmanway, a full 45km from the nearest Leap service.

Still nothing in Ballincollig (16k inhabitants), Glanmire (15k), Carrigaline (13k), Passage West (5k) or Crosshaven (2k) a full 6 months after the card launched in the Cork area.

[jacko]

IR now blaming implementation of a software upgrade !

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/cheaper-fares-for-rail-users-if-leap-card-deadline-is-missed-278767.html

[finnyus]

There is now a shop in Cobh that is operating as a Leap Card agent.

That could be taken as a good sign, until you discover that they've also added an agent in Dunmanway, a full 45km from the nearest Leap service.

Still nothing in Ballincollig (16k inhabitants), Glanmire (15k), Carrigaline (13k), Passage West (5k) or Crosshaven (2k) a full 6 months after the card launched in the Cork area.

Is it still the case that Super Valu in Merchants Quay SC is the only Leap agent in the city? Last time I wanted to top up my Leap Card for the Cork buses, the bus station and Kent didn't have the facilities. The guy at the bus station told me to go to Super Valu to top up.

[comcor]

There's a few others in the city centre. Spar on MacCurtain St and Centra on Washington St. The Centras on Grand Parade are officially listed, but I'm not sure if they still do.

There's no self-service point.

The fact that you can't top up in the bus station is almost unbelievable six months after launch.

You couldn't make up how bad the roll-out in Cork has been. And yet, unbelievably, it looks like around 20% of bus users are using them. I guess forcibly converting the Taxsavers and offering a discount has some effect.

[jacko]

NTA granted an exception and has set Sept 11th as a hard date, no further slippage

No sign of any work being done to date on installation

As a daily commuter on the line who knows the set up well I can guarantee that sept 11 deadline will not be met !

[jacko]

Deadline day on Friday and still no sign of any work

NTA have been taken for a ride on this one by IR

So back to 2013 fares on Friday?

[Mark Gleeson]

Its a bit more complex than that

I understand as of Friday monthly/annual tickets issued from then on should be at the 2013 price.

I wouldn't expect physical hardware in situ until Q1 2015

[jacko]

Its a bit more complex than that

I understand as of Friday monthly/annual tickets issued from then on should be at the 2013 price.

I wouldn't expect physical hardware in situ until Q1 2015

But the NTA was quite clear.

If I cannot use a Leapcard for my Cork/Cobh journey on Friday then the ticke price must revert to the 2013 price?

[Mark Gleeson]

They said 'products', so applies to monthly/annual only

Approved increases for Iarnród Éireann’s Cork/Cobh/Midleton products are on the basis that these will be made available on the Leap card format by 1st August 2014. If that date is not achieved, and if the Authority does not approve the reasons for the missed deadline, then these newly approved fares are to revert to their rates prior to 1st December 2013.

[Colm Moore]

So, should ordinary fares drop - the ones on which Leap Card isn't available.

[Mark Gleeson]

Fares for monthly/annual will drop

The condition did not set a date for epurse

Thats what the NTA have confirmed, so a victory of sorts tomorrow

[Mark Gleeson]

Here you go http://www.irishrail.ie/news/corkleap

[dowlingm]

Find it hard to credit this rebate has to involve vouchers. There was no other way to do this?

[Jamie2k9]

http://www.irishrail.ie/news/leap-card-weekly-and-monthly-tickets-on-cork-to-cobhmidleton-from-1st-december

Leap Card weekly and monthly tickets on Cork to Cobh/Midleton from 1st December

26 November 2014

Leap Card available for Adult and Student Weekly, and Adult, Student and Child Monthly tickets from 1st December, from Payzone outlets

From December 1st Iarnród Éireann customers will be able to purchase the following Leap products at Payzone outlets.


Cork to Cobh and Midleton Route
Adult Weekly
Adult Monthly
Child Monthly
Student Weekly
Student Monthly.

Leap cards are available from www.leapcard.ie or for a list of shops in the Cork area that sell Leap cards click here.



FAQ on Leap Cards for Cork commuter train services.



What routes are Leap weekly or monthly cards available on?
Leap card products listed above can be used on the Cork – Cobh/Midleton lines.

Are Leap cards available for combined journeys with Bus Éireann?
Not at present, this functionality is currently being developed and will be available in 2015

Where can I get a Leap weekly or monthly card in Cork?
At any Payzone shop.

Can I purchase a Leap weekly or monthly card at a Ticket Vending Machine at stations in Cork?
Not at present, this functionality is currently being developed and will be available in 2015.

Can I use an epurse Leap card to travel in Cork?
Not at present, work is ongoing to have this functionality enabled in 2015.

When will Leap epurse cards be available to use in Cork?
The contract for installing the physical equipment at stations in Cork has just been signed so will work will commence in the coming weeks with an estimated schedule date of March, 2015. Update to follow.

What are the age restrictions for the child Monthly Leap card?
The child Monthly Leap card will be available up to the age of 18 years.

How can I add a product to their weekly or monthly Leap Card in Cork?
This has to be done at a Payzone outlet initially.

Are Annual cards being issued on Leap in Cork?
Yes, Annual cards from 1st October onwards are being issued on Leap cards.

[jacko]

http://www.irishrail.ie/news/leap-card-weekly-and-monthly-tickets-on-cork-to-cobhmidleton-from-1st-december

No increases in cash fares on cork commuter services yesterday due to failure to have Leap available

[comcor]

I can understand that there are complications on the integrated Bus Eireann tickets, but why the delay with ePurse?

[berneyarms]

There's no equipment to tag on/tag off with!

[jacko]

8 stations need validators installed

[comcor]

So how are they validating the passes?

I assume the barriers in Kent Station are Leap enabled?

[jacko]

So how are they validating the passes?

I assume the barriers in Kent Station are Leap enabled?

they are certainly IR smart card enabled