Late - Due to incorrect train allocated to run service

[ColmmacO]

So said the driver this morning.
I admire his honesty.
Said the wrong train was allocated to run the service, the train was low on power and had to run slower than normal.
It was a new intercity train, is there some problem with them running short suburban services?

[ThomasJ]

thats interesting...... Isnt the first train out of maynooth in the morning a scheduled 22k operated service? [and possible the first one out of connolly]

[Colm Moore]

They are ideal for getting quickly to a high speed, with some stops, i.e. good for most intercity work.

They're not great for constant stop-start like you have on suburban services, where you are rarely cruising at top speed, where the likes of the 29000s or DARTS (not available on Maynooth line) are best.

The last category, loco-hauled services are best for long distance work, with few stops .

[ColmmacO]

thats interesting...... Isnt the first train out of maynooth in the morning a scheduled 22k operated service? [and possible the first one out of connolly]

I cant say I've ever been on the first scheduled maynooth service :D
This was the 09.05 clonsilla - connolly I was on.
In fact, two thursdays ago, this service was operated by one of the 6 car 22k's. (not the two * 3 cars coupled together). Maybe 6 cars has enough power :)
Still seems like a bit of a waste of resources for a 10 mile journey.

[Mark Gleeson]

Its horses for courses

29k railcar was designed to move fast with heavy crush loads and maintain schedules even with engines down with short stop start.

ICR was designed for frequent stops but with good gaps 8-10 miles so nippy enough acceleration but still sluggish at low speed due high top speed

Mk4 minimum stops, reasonable acceleration (matches UK HST to 100mph) but very efficient when cruising along

Needless to say use the wrong train on the wrong service and your fuel bill goes up and you get delayed

[finnyus]

Still seems like a bit of a waste of resources for a 10 mile journey.

is it 10 miles from Dublin - Maynooth? ...40min journey time = 15mph? :confused:

[ThomasJ]

I cant say I've ever been on the first scheduled maynooth service :D
This was the 09.05 clonsilla - connolly I was on.
In fact, two thursdays ago, this service was operated by one of the 6 car 22k's. (not the two * 3 cars coupled together). Maybe 6 cars has enough power :)
Still seems like a bit of a waste of resources for a 10 mile journey.

Mark correct me if i am wrong but the rosslare train i think does the first two services on the maynooth line, the first citybound service from maynooth runs back empty to form the 7:32 ex connolly to rosslare.

I saw a 22k on my travels one day and it looked like the 09:05. The thing is, given that this service starts from clonsilla isnt it a docklands service? Why are 22ks running docklands services?

[ColmmacO]

is it 10 miles from Dublin - Maynooth? ...40min journey time = 15mph? :confused:

It was clonsilla - connolly...maybe actually less than 10 miles (Train starts at clonsilla).

[ColmmacO]

I saw a 22k on my travels one day and it looked like the 09:05. The thing is, given that this service starts from clonsilla isnt it a docklands service? Why are 22ks running docklands services?

The last timetable revisions changed the 08.48 clonsilla docklands to 09.05 clonsilla connolly.
Now I'm not sure whether a train just runs out empty to clonsilla for the 09.05 service or whether it is a docklands outbound service that serves it.

[Colm Moore]

is it 10 miles from Dublin - Maynooth? ...40min journey time = 15mph? :confused:Dublin-Maynooth is more like 16 miles, Dublin-Coolmine is 9 or 10. Times are about 28-39 (stopping v express) and 18-19 minutes respectively. Still not great at 24-30mph

[James Howard]

If you take the 1905 to Sligo, it hardly ever makes it to Maynooth before 1950. I think Maynooth is at Milepost 15 which I think is mesured from somewhere strange like Broadstone. It should be about 17 miles from Connolly which makes for an average speed for an express train of about 23 MPH. Hardly impressive

The usual reason for this is to wait for a platform to clear at Maynooth as it crosses with an up-train at Maynooth. This timetable problem has been there since the 1905 started.

[ColmmacO]

Same thing this morning.
Same type or train, same driver, 10 minutes late into connolly.
However, this time the excuse was : "...apologise for lateness of train, this was due to a signal problem between clonsilla and connolly"
Anyone know of any signal problems this morning?

[James Howard]

I hadn't heard of any problem but the 1805 to Longford was a 22k on Wednesday. We got stuck in Killucan for half an hour and it was down to "signal problems". I am not sure if they were telling the truth as we still crossed with an up train which is the usual reason for a little rest at Killucan.

But on the other hand we did get stuck at one of newly automated level crossings for 5 minutes, so perhaps it was the truth.

[Colm Moore]

The reason that the ICR is on the Maynooth line/Docklands in the mornings is the ongoing overnight engineering works between Bray and Connolly that prevent the two empty trains from going south in the early hours of the morning.

The 29K that would normally operate the Docklands services is now overnighting in Gorey to operate the 0555 ex-Gorey on Tuesday-Friday, so hence an ICR is appearing on the Maynooth line.

[dowlingm]

So it seems IE CAN base a train in Gorey if it really really tries :D

[ThomasJ]

my first time using the 09:05 this morning and its a 22k.

Nice smooth journey not that id notice the difference but strange that given this service is coming off a docklands service that an intercity railcar be used! It also seems to be an ongoing thing.

Not that i am complaining!

[Colm Moore]

22000 can't carry many standing and Docklands services tend to be quieter and have fewer stops.